Aeromexico and Copa Airlines are said to be almost ready to announce 737MAX orders. As already several news topics about airline programs like the A350, A380, 787/748 and A320 exist, I think it would be right to start a news topic of the 737MAX too.To start with, not real news, but strong rumours. Regulators for a fix for the electrical grounding issue that had affected about 100 737 MAX airplanes.That approval cleared the way for the jet's quick return to service. Airlines had pulled dozens of 737 MAX jets from service in early April after Boeing warned of the electrical problem, linked to a backup power control unit in the cockpit on some recently built airplanes.The problem was then found in two other places on the flight deck, including the storage rack where the control unit is kept and the instrument panel facing the pilots.The 737 MAX was approved to return to service in November 2020 in the United States after being grounded for 20 months following two fatal crashes that killed 346 people in 20.Reuters reported on May 4 that the FAA asked Boeing to supply fresh analysis showing numerous 737 MAX subsystems would not be affected by electrical grounding issues first flagged in three areas of the jet in April. Boeing To Conduct Certification Test Flights of Troubled 737 MAX Starting Monday.This allows Boeing to offer higher reductions, tough Boeing still makes huge profits with the orders.Tough this is typical for Airbus and Boeing. Tough official numbers show Boeing is having much higher profit margins and return on investment as Airbus (or EADS in whole). According to insiders Airbus did a lot to get GOL at their side (they currently use only Boeing's), but Boeing tried harder to keep them.Earlier this month Airbus accused Boeing that they started a price war to sell the 737. Probably their order was already included in the booked commitments?Also GOL is set to place a (big) order for the 737MAX. According to "insiders" the decions has fallen on Boeing and they will soon announce the order.Copa is no suprise, already days after Boeing announced the 737MAX, Copa said they were very interested. Some weeks ago Aeromexico confirmed that they were about to take a decision between the A320NEO and the 737MAX and for a new long haul aircraft, a possible order of 70 aircraft in total.
![]() ![]() Usually it are the smaller airlines that pay 'too much' for their aircraft (in which case it's better to just lease them instead of buying). Just business as usual, even with the huge discounts (even up to 60%.) both Airbus and Boeing book huge profits.The bigger the order, the bigger the discounts, the bigger the importance of the client (for exemple stealing a huge 737-customer (partly) away to buy the A320 or the other way around), the bigger the discounts, the bigger the client (it may be a 'small' order, but when it's an airline that books a lot of small orders for one airframer.), the bigger the discounts. Two big exemples of huge discounts: RYR got HUGE discounts on their 737 orders, tough the latest dates back already from 2007 after that Boeing didn't agree anymore with the demands of RYR and easyJet got HUGE discounts on their initial A319 orders to steal them away from Boeing (as they were using the 737-700 back then). Boeing 737 Max Latest News Full And GrowingRemember the start up of JetBlue Airways at the end of past century? In their business plan the Boeing 737-800 was the prefered aircraft. And SilkAir is an airline you would really like to have, succesfull and growing.It's been the other way around many times before. But even with these huge reductions, Boeing can still make money with them (unless they fuck up the production like with the 787). EADS earned 133 million euro's (169 million dollar) in the first quarter, so a lot less as Boeing, but still nothing to cry about (in the first quarter of 2011 they lost money).So it seems Boeing and Airbus can both afford it to offer huge discounts, and Boeing can afford themself a little more.But ahum.this was intended as the 737 (MAX) news topicSilkair now firmed the order with Boeing for 54 737's (23 -800's and 31 of the MAX8).This order is worth 4,9 billion dollar, but of course they'll pay a much lower amount (probably just 60-45%.). Slayer repentlessTheir A320 production is still way above that of the 737, but Boeing delivers much more widebodies.Sn26567 wrote:It is quite normal that Boeing is selling more 737 MAX aircraft this year than Airbus is selling A320 NEOs. Based on deliveries Airbus was on the first place since 2003. The previous time Boeing got more orders (and also the last time they got more than 1000 orders in one year) than Airbus, was in 2007. Thanks to this order they sold already 1,031 737's this year (net orders), this is the first time Boeing succeeds in selling more than 1,000 of one aircraft family in just one year.Thanks to the 737MAX and the taking up of the 787 and 748 production, Boeing will be the world's biggest civil aircraft company, both on the amount of orders as on the amount of deliveries. Airbus got away with the order after dropping their price offer, with a new succesfull and long term client of the A320-family as result.Anyway this new order of Silkair also completed a new record for Boeing. Pixma mx430 setupIt was planned Boeing would sell all 6 787-8 test aircraft, but this plan was worthless eventually as the early 787's had no commercial value anymore (too heavy, too many changes, not even all changes documented in the way needed for commercial service.), but anyway, that's not like it should be and I suppose Boeing has the ambition to do things better with the 737MAX.Btw, 6 test aircraft for the 787-8 and another 4 for the 787-9 isn't quite a low number either, even tough we are talking about widebodies here. Many of these test aircraft may be sold eventualy as well (just as with some 787's and most 748 test aircraft). This looks like a record high number.I assume this is to seriously reduce the time needed for certification. And still now Airbus has more orders for its new single-aisle aircraft than Boeing.Of course, I didn't claim it was 'special' is it? Just that's it's a Boeing-record and that it's the first time Boeing sells more aircraft than Airbus since quite some time (Airbus has been in the lead position for the narrowbodies for years, Boeing for widebodies, but this year, thanks to the 737MAX they're also in the lead position of the narrowbodies: if you read my posts of early 2012/late 2011 you would already see this is exactly as 'planned' for the exact reasons you give)Still Boeing is the biggest airframer this year again, not just based on orders (that varies much more often), but based on deliveries and that's what I wanted to make clear, they lost this position almost a decade ago.Sn26567 wrote:It seems that Boeing will employ eight flight test aircraft for 737 MAX certification, four -8s, two -7s and two -9s.
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